(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2016 US Open Masters Round 8 Board 1 - Tim (Zirui) Song 1p (w) vs Bao Yun 7d (b)]PW[Tim (Zirui) Song]PB[Bao Yun]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2016-08-05]RO[round 8 board 1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Andrew Jackson]C[tornadotry [1k\]: Yay
Brian [1d\]: Andy Liu and Hanchen Zhang are both at 6-1, so i guess there could theoretically be a tie-breaker if bao yun loses
]RE[W+3.50]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]
;W[dc]
;B[oc]C[tornadotry [1k\]: hmm he won't probably
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;W[qn]
;B[nq]C[gooooo [-\]: is Tim Song an AGA pro?
Brian [1d\]: well, someone with 7-0 seems to have the best chances at winning, eh? :-)
redreoicy [4d\]: What's bao's KGS again?
Brian [1d\]: unknownplr, i think
redreoicy [4d\]: Oh yeah
USGO1 [-\]: bao yun's epic yawn's are live -- www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live or www.twitch.tv/usgoweb
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;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[pd]
;W[pj]
;B[ql]
;W[pl]
;B[qh]
;W[qk]
;B[qo]C[USGO1 [-\]: i mean that yawn just kept going and going
USGO1 [-\]: amazing
USGO1 [-\]: looks like a prepared fuseki here; Bao quickly putting 'em down
USGO1 [-\]: Song maybe not as familiar
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for joining us here in round 8 of the US Open Masters!
Euphony [3k\]: wow, you weren't kidding. that was epic
USGO1 [-\]: <== your trusted friend in Go, USGO1.
tornadotry [1k\]: it was impressive
USGO9 [-\]: Tim Song is a Chinese school, going to school in the DC area
USGO9 [-\]: *Chinese pro
skwisgaar [3d\]: it made me yawn as well
gooooo [-\]: ah ok, thanks!
skwisgaar [3d\]: yawn too strong
USGO1 [-\]: pro level yawn
gooooo [-\]: lets hope he can handle the yawn and doesn't dislocate the yaw :)
USGO1 [-\]: get strong at yawning
USGO1 [-\]: (etc)
]
;W[ph]
;B[qg]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[of]C[tornadotry [1k\]: What is Tim Song's score right now? for tournament results.
USGO1 [-\]: he is 5-2
USGO1 [-\]: the crosstabs are here: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/176
tornadotry [1k\]: alright thanks for info
]
;B[og]
;W[nf]C[tornadotry [1k\]: so fighting starts right off the bat it seems...
USGO1 [-\]: i'm getting my fortune cookie
USGO1 [-\]: let me see
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;B[ng]C[First [1k\]: whom is tim song?
zzuuzzuuu: he is white
tornadotry [1k\]: look at previous conversation if ou can :)
USGO1 [-\]: Also known as Song Zirui
sykta [3k\]: this doesnt look good for w
First [1k\]: is he from asia?
Burton [6k\]: china originally
sykta [3k\]: no he is from the music country
tornadotry [1k\]: he is  a chinese pro 
]
;W[mf]
;B[lh]
;W[kf]
;B[jh]C[First [1k\]: important for china to take over the US go scene
skwisgaar [3d\]: white cut in 2 very early
skwisgaar [3d\]: has to be bad for him
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;W[mc]C[USGO1 [-\]: remember you can watch the players live at www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live or www.twitch.tv/usgoweb
USGO1 [-\]: Ailin Hsiao 2p will be commenting the game with Stephen Hu 5d!  They'll probably start in fifteen minutes or so
honku [1d\]: So, after this round there will be only 2 players with 7+ wins
Piem [1d\]: was the E-journal doing short reviews of the games this morning, too?
honku [1d\]: since the only 2 with 6-1 are playing against each other in this round
USGO1 [-\]: Correct!  If Bao loses, it could make for some very interesting tiebreaks, if he wins, it's very very likely he wins the whole thing
USGO1 [-\]: yes, they were doing short reviews!
Piem [1d\]: do you happen to know who commented?
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun 9p did a fantastic review of the Andy Liu 1p vs Ito Shenryo 1p game, and it was a crazy crazy game
Piem [1d\]: thank you :)
USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun apparently gave some very detailed commentary, because the game was very detailed.
Piem [1d\]: yesterdays were also really nice
]
;B[qm]
;W[pm]
;B[rn]
;W[pn]C[USGO1 [-\]: these might be a bit longer ;)
tornadotry [1k\]: Ito kenryo or Shenryo? 
USGO1 [-\]: Kenryo, sorry!
]
;B[rl]C[tornadotry [1k\]: np wasn't sure myself
Higanbana [?\]: Is white in trouble?
USGO1 [-\]: My fortune cookie this evening is prophetic for the game tonight, but perhaps a terrible fortune: "you have a pair of shining eyes"
honku [1d\]: Bao Yun's opponent in the next round might be Ryan Li, Zhongfan Jian, Zirui Song or Shuo Sun, if they win
USGO1 [-\]: would that all my groups did!
USGO1 [-\]: Bao Yun's current opponent is Zirui Song
First [1k\]: that is a real mouth full
honku [1d\]: ah, ok, sorry, so that leaves only two
honku [1d\]: forgot Tim=Zirui
Higanbana [?\]: what can white do here
USGO1 [-\]: M7?
USGO1 [-\]: or farther?
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;W[mm]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: float little group, into the middle
Piem [1d\]: farther seems really dangerous with p9 around
]
;B[if]C[zr [7k\]: aggressive
StephenW [4k\]: well, his r13 group is perfectly safe
StephenW [4k\]: He can be aggressive in this case.
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;W[id]
;B[je]
;W[kc]
;B[de]C[First [1k\]: w still has a chance to win
]
;W[cg]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]C[honku [1d\]: hmm, next year I'll need 4 or 5 monitor setup to follow everything ;)
odnihs [-\]: Video commentary is live! 
enumerator [1k\]: i like w
honku [1d\]: ok, live YT feed is for the 1st board (Stephen Hu 6d and Ailin Hsiao 2p), and USGO10 for the 2nd (Yilun Yang 7p and Feng Yun 9p)
gooooo [-\]: isn't stephen 5d?
honku [1d\]: sorry, 5D
gooooo [-\]: heard both so got confused by it :)
USGO1 [-\]: he's 5d.
honku [1d\]: somehow I "remembered" from the previous days that he is 6D
USGO1 [-\]: must've been a typo
]
;W[fd]C[honku [1d\]: these 8d players have fot those from Nihon-Kiin or...?
honku [1d\]: got*
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;B[ec]C[USGO1 [-\]: not sure who's 8d either
USGO1 [-\]: The top AGA amateur rank is 7d
]
;W[eb]
;B[dd]
;W[db]C[KoyoToya [-\]: I thought Stephen got promoted to 6d
First [1k\]: USA too weak to get 8d
]
;B[fe]C[USGO1 [-\]: Stephen's rating is 5d, sorry ^_^;; 
honku [1d\]: Chen Zhaonian, Ge Yongfei, Lin Tianyu [Bill\] and Ko Dae Hyuk (Daniel\] are 8D
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;W[gd]C[USGO1 [-\]: First -- that's a little uncalled for, considering all the work we're doing to bring you coverage this week :P
USGO1 [-\]: but actually, the confusion is that our *ratings* go as high as they need
USGO1 [-\]: but our *ranks* don't go higher than 7d
honku [1d\]: I know, AGA has only ratings that are converted to ranks
USGO1 [-\]: Mark Lee, for instance, has a rating over 10.
]
;B[dh]C[honku [1d\]: I know that winner of WAGC gets 8D diploma from Nihon-Kiin
honku [1d\]: but, also some Go servers give ranking certificates
First [1k\]: japan is really strong
honku [1d\]: 10 moves ago it looked like W will get a chance to get the left side, but now...
honku [1d\]: but, 1d in Europe is like 4d in Japan, so not that strong
First [1k\]: right
First [1k\]: and 9p in japan
First [1k\]: is like 50d in europe
honku [1d\]: well, Korea and China also have 9p
honku [1d\]: and in Korea 1p beats 9p much more often than in Japan
Entity [1d\]: British 9p easily beats other 9p's
]
;W[ci]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[dg]C[First [1k\]: why all this animosity toward japan?
First [1k\]: they gave us pokemon
]
;W[cn]C[tornadotry [1k\]: doubt 9p in japan could be 50d in europe though sadly.. 
gooooo [-\]: since they dan scale doesn't go to 50d
First [1k\]: that finnish guy became japanese 1p but lost like half his games in the exam
mojomonkey [5k\]: is bao yun the guy who plays blindfolded?
PuppyPants [6k\]: stream link?
USGO1 [-\]: you can watch the games at youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live and twitch.tv/usgoweb
gooooo [-\]: first, Antti Törmänen
PuppyPants [6k\]: that's not a link 
zc3k [4k\]: looks w god
zc3k [4k\]: good*
]
;B[ej]C[honku [1d\]: board 6, 7 and 8 are competing for the fastest game :)
honku [1d\]: boards*
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live
USGO1 [-\]: :P
USGO1 [-\]: or even http://gaming.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live
USGO1 [-\]: or http://twitch.tv/usgoweb
USGO1 [-\]: one of those work for you
USGO1 [-\]: ?
PuppyPants [6k\]: that's fine linking
First [1k\]: people keep asking when the next round is
First [1k\]: why not put it on website?
honku [1d\]: tomorrow morning
USGO1 [-\]: schedule is at live.gocongress.org
USGO1 [-\]: and there's only one more round ;)
]
;W[ck]
;B[dr]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[fq]
;W[gr]
;B[cp]
;W[co]
;B[bp]
;W[ep]C[SuperHonte [1d\]: e4???
]
;B[br]C[SuperHonte [1d\]: never seen such a thing
xDragon [?\]: It's the shape to fix
USGO1 [-\]: e4 is super honte, actually
lololita: ahah
SuperHonte [1d\]: looks horrible to my eyes :S
SuperHonte [1d\]: but 1p must be right
honku [1d\]: seems that video is delayed more than 10s (probably due to network and software combining camera feeds)
honku [1d\]: NEVER play "empty triangle"
GoUniverse [?\]: just because it's youtube stream has 10's delay
PuppyPants [6k\]: anyone counted yet?
GoUniverse [?\]: b+5
USGO1 [-\]: there's even more recorder delay ;)
]
;W[jq]C[honku [1d\]: wbaduk SE says 62:59 for W without komi
honku [1d\]: but, there are much more fighting yet to come
Hanekiri [17k?\]: USGO, i heard John Conway was doing commentary. Is that true?
PuppyPants [6k\]: and for black?
USGO1 [-\]: nope, commentary tonight is by Ailin Hsiao 2p and Stephen Hu 5d!
PuppyPants [6k\]: when does commentary start?
USGO1 [-\]: you can watch along at youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live and twitch.tv/usgoweb
Hanekiri [17k?\]: USGO, I heard John Conway was doing commentary.... is that true?
honku [1d\]: they made a break
USGO1 [-\]: it's already been underway, but they're on a break
USGO1 [-\]: you can rewind the youtube stream to catch up
Hanekiri [17k?\]: test
PuppyPants [6k\]: oh I didn't hear any talking earlier
USGO1 [-\]: (that's Feng Yun 9p watching Andy Liu's game on board 2)
Hanekiri [17k?\]: sorry huge lag
honku [1d\]: boards 6, 7 and 8 already 120 moves :)
honku [1d\]: now where will B go?
PuppyPants [6k\]: how old is song?
honku [1d\]: maybe around K5 would be and ear-redding move ;)
Hanekiri [17k?\]: I get b+22 anyone ese counting?
honku [1d\]: E8 might be natural, since it is big for W too, but is good to be played now
]
;B[lq]C[PuppyPants [6k\]: i think so haneriki
TrollBot [2k\]: f5?
]
;W[el]C[tornadotry [1k\]: hmm
honku [1d\]: so, W played E8 since it is very good for B, too
TrollBot [2k\]: f8 not better?
corners [-\]: if f8 there's a hole behind around e8...
SuperHonte [1d\]: i count around 51 w around 40
SuperHonte [1d\]: so b wins atm
]
;B[il]C[Potemkine [3k\]: I like this
honku [1d\]: special guest name in video feed is...?
pilaf [4d?\]: this is the "Red Nose" game of this game:)
pilaf [4d?\]: "Red Nose" move
USGO1 [-\]: the commentary on youtube has been joined by special guest Ha Youngil 6p of Kansai Kiin!
honku [1d\]: thank You for info
USGO2 [-\]: I think you mean "ear reddening?"
USGO1 [-\]: b has 39 minutes left, can't see w's clock
guapo [1k?\]: can you see his ears?
]
;W[nb]
;B[ob]C[leachy [2k\]: too many spices in the pilaf makes the reddening come out the nose
relu [4d\]: if started at 7, he probably has around 34
USGO2 [-\]: I can see his ears, actually
violon [6k\]: Does w have still a chance? 
honku [1d\]: seems W will have to reduce B center?
Hanekiri [17k?\]: g9 maybe
honku [1d\]: but, is g9 enough?
USGO2 [-\]: W's time is 33 minutes left
honku [1d\]: I'd rather play f10
violon [6k\]: B54
violon [6k\]: W43
honku [1d\]: hmm, they say B h15 is sente and protects B center
honku [1d\]: because, B threatens h16
USGO1 [-\]: w has 31 minutes left, b has 39.
USGO1 [-\]: don't forget you can watch LIVE commentary of this game w/ Ailin Hsiao 2p and special guest Ha Youngil 6p on the AGA youtube!
USGO1 [-\]: youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live and twitch.tv/usgoweb
honku [1d\]: Youngil is so modest, like he is 6k, not 6p
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;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[bg]
;B[ed]
;W[fc]
;B[ge]C[honku [1d\]: the more a pro learns, the more he/she is aware of how much doesn't know, that is why they are modest
]
;W[he]
;B[hf]
;W[gl]
;B[ip]
;W[iq]
;B[jp]C[tornadotry [1k\]: bieing strong doesn't really amount to one being arrogant 
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;W[hp]
;B[ho]C[honku [1d\]: in Go one's personality is much reflected on the playing style, rare are pros who on the board are opposite of that being in the real life
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;W[mj]C[First [1k\]: b should hane
USGO1 [-\]: Bao Yun impersonating "The Scream" there
USGO1 [-\]: Ryan Li 1p looks on with a "You looked better online" t-shirt.
USGO1 [-\]: Classy
Potemkine [3k\]: G9 looks good for black
zc3k [4k\]: O11?
anguy [1k\]: im trying to go back to see the scream impersonation, but i can't find it
]
;B[ll]C[USGO2 [-\]: Look for the yawns
USGO1 [-\]: Geez, Andy seems to be handily in control on USGO2... he had a good position earlier this week against Bao Yun but couldn't hold it.
USGO2 [-\]: They're quite monstrous
]
;W[ml]C[First [1k\]: they are all asian
USGO1 [-\]: First, 1st warning
USGO1 [-\]: Bao Yun seems unhappy with that move
]
;B[lk]C[First [1k\]: for what
USGO1 [-\]: perhaps there's an earlier blunder
First [1k\]: ethnicity is fact
TrollBot [2k\]: i am european
TrollBot [2k\]: ^^
LouisXIII [1d\]: how is Bao Yun doing so far?
LouisXIII [1d\]: unbeaten?
USGO1 [-\]: Ok, let's not discuss ethnicity, race, or otherwise.  final warning
xDragon [?\]: Yeah
USGO1 [-\]: Yep, he's undefeated
USGO1 [-\]: check the crosstabs here
First [1k\]: I think you are acting quite sad
USGO1 [-\]: Your opinion has been noted
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/176
First [1k\]: overreacting really
USGO2 [-\]: W down to 15 minutes on this board
TrollBot [2k\]: he is human First
TrollBot [2k\]: like you
First [1k\]: ok
]
;W[lj]C[First [1k\]: time for yose I think
TrollBot [2k\]: i am cyborg named Arnold Schwarzenegger
Ribab [8k?\]: Maybe Arnold downloaded alphago.exe from the Matrix
]
;B[lm]
;W[mn]C[TrollBot [2k\]: for sure he have total faith in morpheus
USGO1 [-\]: keep it on the game, plz
]
;B[gp]
;W[hq]
;B[go]C[test11 [13k\]: If the black group on the right side is alive isn't he winning comfortably?
test11 [13k\]: (the L-shape one in the middle right)
Potemkine [3k\]: yeah he has plenty of space
]
;W[kq]C[test11 [13k\]: or maybe I should say connected rather than alice
test11 [13k\]: *alive
Hanekiri [17k?\]: why g5 instead of f5?
TrollBot [2k\]: because the peep i gues
TrollBot [2k\]: or f5 cut
TrollBot [2k\]: f4*
test11 [13k\]: What is wrong with N13?
]
;B[lp]C[Potemkine [3k\]: it just doesnt cut
Hanekiri [17k?\]: runs into a doube atari
test11 [13k\]: What do you mean by not cutting?
test11 [13k\]: How does it run into a double atari?
Potemkine [3k\]: N13 N12 O12 O11 and black is connected
Potemkine [3k\]: or white cutting stone is dead if you prefer
USGO1 [-\]: w hits 10 minutes
test11 [13k\]: I was suggesting N13 for Black
test11 [13k\]: but he played M4
]
;W[kp]
;B[ko]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]C[First [1k\]: w thinking of tenuki
honku [1d\]: nope
anguy [1k\]: no way
PuppyPants [6k\]: w thinking of resign
]
;W[ls]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: he played m1 with a7 hanging over his head?
notsadman: isnt bao yun = rapyuta?
]
;B[ms]
;W[jr]C[colimit [1k\]: Bao Yun = unknownplr
redreoicy [4d\]: B look far ahead to me
First [1k\]: bao yun the basketball player?
test11 [13k\]: Black has 3 corners and good chunk of center 
]
;B[ni]C[First [1k\]: two of those corners are rather small
test11 [13k\]: Hard to see how he would lose. Unless he is low on time and starts making mistakes
craig [4k\]: and annoying pressure
]
;W[nj]C[test11 [13k\]: ok maybe I should have said *big* chunk of center
anguy [1k\]: black is definitely ahead
]
;B[rj]C[First [1k\]: well he is already professional
First [1k\]: so can just relax after that
test11 [13k\]: The score estimate function says: B+20.5
]
;W[op]
;B[oq]C[craig [4k\]: F9 for B seems like it seals things
Hanekiri [17k?\]: its already sealed
]
;W[kn]C[SuperHonte [1d\]: l6 looks nice
Capa21 [9k\]: Probably more like 6.5-7.5
Capa21 [9k\]: Less now
]
;B[lo]
;W[ln]
;B[jn]C[USGO1 [-\]: w has 5 minutes
test11 [13k\]: L7 looks annoying
test11 [13k\]: Why is there no *I* on the coordinates?
Bahji [4k\]: because people would ask if you mean i or L
wikipwnia [3k\]: confusion with 1 and L
First [1k\]: it was banned after being too offensive
Bahji [4k\]: lol
]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[test11 [13k\]: Well they are always uppercase so confusion with L does not sound convincing
]
;W[in]C[Bahji [4k\]: well thats the reason.. like it or not
First [1k\]: I and l are the same
First [1k\]: which did I say?
First [1k\]: you will never know
honku [1d\]: the problem was when people used to write manually, if You se I12, how do You know if it is L12 or i12?
test11 [13k\]: And I am glad I won't
First [1k\]: there is no arguing this
]
;B[im]
;W[jm]
;B[jo]C[test11 [13k\]: It was the first time I noticed it, lets go back to the game
Hanekiri [17k?\]: i like it
]
;W[re]
;B[qb]C[Bahji [4k\]: w get ko bottom right?
leachy [2k\]: yes the confusion of I, J, L is surely a confusion of japanese origin
Hanekiri [17k?\]: Bao is reeling this fish in steadily
First [1k\]: don't blame the japan
Bahji [4k\]: looks like he needs a ko to my shoddy counting
USGO1 [-\]: w almost in byo-yomi
First [1k\]: some people talk  lowercase
First [1k\]: some people upperclass
test11 [13k\]: USGO1 how much time does Black have?
USGO1 [-\]: 15 minutes
USGO1 [-\]: w in byo-yomi now
test11 [13k\]: that is plenty
]
;W[gj]C[test11 [13k\]: K8 for Black?
honku [1d\]: wbaduk SE says B+6 without komi :)
USGO2 [-\]: ahhhhh that was stressful. now to relax and watch 1 and 3:)
USGO1 [-\]: ggwp USGO2! :)
SuperHonte [1d\]: B will e6
]
;B[gi]C[USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods left for w
USGO2 [-\]: ggwp?
Hanekiri [17k?\]: yup g11 has to be worth 1o points
corners [-\]: ggwp = "good game well played"
USGO1 [-\]: LO points, you mean?
honku [1d\]: B f9 was  too complicated?
USGO2 [-\]: ah thank you corners
]
;W[hi]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: lol usgo
]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[hk]C[test11 [13k\]: H6 for white?
]
;W[ik]C[First [1k\]: nice tesuji
anguy [1k\]: white is actually ahead now
USGO1 [-\]: commentary has resumed on the youtube & twitch streams!
USGO1 [-\]: that's youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live and twitch.tv/usgoweb
anguy [1k\]: M4 seems to have been bad
]
;B[hl]
;W[jl]
;B[ii]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: that was played fast
]
;W[gk]
;B[hh]
;W[hm]
;B[hi]C[PuppyPants [6k\]: can black separate n14?
]
;W[kj]C[USGO1 [-\]: black crosses 10 minutes
]
;B[am]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: haha
leachy [2k\]: i don't think so  but the threat to separate it will surely gain some endgame points
]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]
;W[bm]C[primefact [1d\]: n14 looks pretty well connected, if n15 then l15
]
;B[en]C[USGO1 [-\]: w on a fishingexpedition?
stephenzhu [?\]: l15 doesn't seem right
USGO1 [-\]: b 2 periods left
anguy [1k\]: zirui started eating his shirt
primefact [1d\]: l14 can probably be cut off with m15
]
;W[fn]C[PuppyPants [6k\]: how old is Song?
wither [1k?\]: as old as language!
]
;B[fo]
;W[em]C[USGO1 [-\]: good question
anguy [1k\]: song was invented by the neanderthals in 200,000 B.C.
]
;B[gn]C[Eggplant [2d\]: I think song might predate language. maybe something liek hmming a tune.
Eggplant [2d\]: humming
]
;W[gm]C[Eggplant [2d\]: But I am just guessing
]
;B[an]
;W[ao]
;B[bo]C[anguy [1k\]: bao may get his first loss
TrollBot [2k\]: sing came for song
]
;W[bn]C[Voyz [1k\]: What ?
USGO1 [-\]: if bao loses, we have an open field
USGO1 [-\]: there are some folks w/ 6 wins he hasn't faced
anguy [1k\]: if bao loses i'll switch to root for andy
]
;B[ap]C[Eggplant [2d\]: andy lost twice
Eggplant [2d\]: he just lost 
anguy [1k\]: oh he lost again? :(
]
;W[al]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yup
USGO1 [-\]: it was a crazy, crazy game
anguy [1k\]: well so much for that
USGO2 [-\]: To Zhang Hanhen
TrollBot [2k\]: he was shaking to hard
Potemkine [2k\]: he just lost a game he should have won
USGO2 [-\]: Hanchen*
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;B[dk]C[Eggplant [2d\]: yeah some times winning and losing can have to do with being centered or going to fast etc.
Potemkine [2k\]: he got greedy at the end and didnt pay attention to his between life and death group
]
;W[cl]C[TrollBot [2k\]: he didnt played g12
Potemkine [2k\]: ahah true he didnt
AlphaG0 [-\]: g12 is always important
TrollBot [2k\]: yes
TrollBot [2k\]: alphago knows it
Potemkine [2k\]: it was gote but would have meant winning the game I suppose..
USGO2 [-\]: Anybody count this game?
TrollBot [2k\]: i doubt trust SE
Capa21 [9k\]: W up after komi
]
;B[le]C[Potemkine [2k\]: black "center" is way smaller than I expected
]
;W[mg]C[Potemkine [2k\]: I missed the middle game but white did really good
honku [1d\]: wbaduk SE says around even without komi
TrollBot [2k\]: so youre lessons is lower youre expectations potemkine
USGO2 [-\]: Moyos are never as big as they look
First [1k\]: wbaduk isn't broadcasting this
Capa21 [9k\]: honky, that's about what I counted, but there are a few unknown spots. I think w wins even if b gets unknowns
Eggplant [2d\]: perhaps he is entering the moves in the gibo
emc2 [2d\]: black needs to kill something to win the game
Potemkine [2k\]: well black still could have lived if he had not tenuki trollbot :d
anguy [1k\]: ahem, his name is honku lol
TrollBot [2k\]: i know potemkine
]
;B[qj]C[TrollBot [2k\]: but g12 was best
Eggplant [2d\]: the y and the u are right next to each other.
Potemkine [2k\]: indeed would have made everything clearer and black would have probably won
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;W[kg]C[USGO1 [-\]: moving right at the strike of 9
honku [1d\]: Youngil seemed to be right, B missed H15 peep which would get him bigger center
USGO1 [-\]: i see we're into extra innings
TrollBot [2k\]: yes honky
USGO1 [-\]: don't forget you can watch live commentary on youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live and twitch.tv/usgoweb
USGO1 [-\]: TrollBot, 1st & last warning
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;B[jd]C[TrollBot [2k\]: explain please
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;W[jc]C[USGO1 [-\]: b now in byo-yomi
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;B[ie]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: nibbled to death by ducks
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;W[hd]C[TrollBot [2k\]: ....
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;B[cj]
;W[bj]C[USGO1 [-\]: w on his final byo-yomi
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;B[dj]
;W[bi]C[anguy [1k\]: if the player plays the move before time runs out, but doesn't press the button in time, does he lose on time?
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;B[mh]C[TitanPupil [3d\]: i believe so yes
USGO1 [-\]: Correct
TrollBot [2k\]: hm
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;W[ke]C[Leaves [8k\]: Hm
TrollBot [2k\]: hm
USGO1 [-\]: giving me a heart attack each time...
USGO1 [-\]: :'(
First [1k\]: wow
TitanPupil [3d\]: Hm
First [1k\]: not even automated time controls?
Leaves [8k\]: Hope the clock doesn't malfunction again
USGO1 [-\]: 'automated' is harder than you think
anguy [1k\]: i'd hate to be on byo-yomi against bao yun
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;B[nc]C[TitanPupil [3d\]: i
TitanPupil [3d\]: 'd hate to be against bao yun
honku [1d\]: usually, if the move captures something, they pick it up after hitting the clock
Leaves [8k\]: I agree
]
;W[mb]C[USGO1 [-\]: ?!?
TitanPupil [3d\]: ?!?
TrollBot [2k\]: ??
USGO1 [-\]: oh still ok
]
;B[kd]C[Jermelle [?\]: ?!?
TitanPupil [3d\]: lol
emc2 [2d\]: n16
anguy [1k\]: what was that ?!? about?
Leaves [8k\]: TP your record though. I think you'd be fine
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;W[rg]C[TitanPupil [3d\]: no i dont want a loss :P
mke [1k\]: b's yose is very good.  he's catching up.
USGO1 [-\]: i thought the cut worked now
USGO1 [-\]: but it's ok, w can still N16
USGO1 [-\]: <== hallucinating
USGO1 [-\]: b 3 periods left now
TitanPupil [3d\]: thanks andrew
anguy [1k\]: yes N16 works :P
TrollBot [2k\]: s13 looks very bad hm
anguy [1k\]: but the game appears pretty close now
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;B[rh]C[emc2 [2d\]: still white leads
anguy [1k\]: not sure who will win because of byo-yomi
Capa21 [9k\]: I don't know that it's b playing good Yosemite versus w playing safe because already won
]
;W[md]C[USGO1 [-\]: doesn't seem like he liked playing N16 though...
Capa21 [9k\]: Dumb phone...yose
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;B[ld]C[Jermelle [?\]: Yosemite gg
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;W[kh]
;B[ki]C[TitanPupil [3d\]: lol
]
;W[nd]C[Capa21 [9k\]: ^_^
First [1k\]: jermelle please focus on w
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;B[pi]C[Jermelle [?\]: no
TitanPupil [3d\]: lol
]
;W[po]
;B[qp]C[Leaves [8k\]: Hm
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;W[df]C[TitanPupil [3d\]: hm
Jermelle [?\]: hm
TrollBot [2k\]: hm?
First [1k\]: nice tesuji
]
;B[ef]C[Hanekiri [17k?\]: hm!
Jermelle [?\]: Hm?!?
]
;W[bc]C[Potemkine [2k\]: is it to threaten to connect under?
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;B[bd]
;W[bb]C[Potemkine [2k\]: if b C14?
]
;B[no]C[leachy [2k\]: if b played c14 instead of e14, then w would have played e14 and b needs to defend teh 3 stones at d13 in gote
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;W[pk]C[Capa21 [9k\]: w still up by a few points. 
USGO1 [-\]: after P5?
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;B[cf]C[anguy [1k\]: what is zirui's record?
USGO1 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/176
USGO1 [-\]: tournament crosstabs
First [1k\]: I recall people saying b could not lose this game
USGO1 [-\]: and watch the thrilling conclusion on youtube and twitch
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;W[rk]
;B[sk]C[USGO1 [-\]: both players in final overtime
honku [1d\]: wbaduk SE says B wins by a few points
]
;W[sm]C[Leaves [8k\]: Do you think they will lose on time
Capa21 [9k\]: Yes, after p5. I only counted 2 points there before p5, didn't swing it to b
]
;B[sl]C[Leaves [8k\]: *one
honku [1d\]: W d3 is also sente
honku [1d\]: but gote for B
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;W[dq]
;B[cr]
;W[gq]
;B[fp]
;W[do]C[TrollBot [2k\]: g3 looks silly
]
;B[lc]
;W[lb]C[mke [1k\]: i think b is leading now
]
;B[nn]
;W[nm]
;B[sg]
;W[hn]
;B[io]C[emc2 [2d\]: very close now
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;W[rf]
;B[fm]
;W[bf]
;B[be]C[redreoicy [4d\]: Count b solid lead
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;W[sf]C[TrollBot [2k\]: did you count good?
test11 [13k\]: What is the komi?
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;B[sh]C[redreoicy [4d\]: 3.5 pts
anguy [1k\]: supposedly it's half point loss/win
test11 [13k\]: 3.5?
anguy [1k\]: according to the commentary
PuppyPants [6k\]: b shouldnt have lost m8, shame
]
;W[fj]
;B[fi]
;W[fl]C[emc2 [2d\]: k13
TrollBot [2k\]: p5
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;B[na]
;W[ma]
;B[oa]C[Capa21 [9k\]: I have w 1
Capa21 [9k\]: 1.5
]
;W[sd]
;B[oj]C[test11 [13k\]: Score estimate says B+8.5
TrollBot [2k\]: i believe in God and SE is god and he says B+8.5
anguy [1k\]: the rules are 0.5 komi though
test11 [13k\]: Unless score estimate is not using AGA rule
]
;W[ok]
;B[oi]C[leachy [2k\]: SE doesn't work well when the rules are AGA or chinese
Capa21 [9k\]: My rules say 7.5 komi
]
;W[jg]
;B[ig]C[johnny [3k\]: p5 looks big
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;W[oo]C[emc2 [2d\]: T17
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;B[np]
;W[jj]C[USGO1 [-\]: ko on the left bigger?
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;B[ji]C[Meloe [-\]: is there a game tomorrow ?
USGO1 [-\]: last round tomorrow AM
honku [1d\]: B p7?
]
;W[fn]C[Meloe [-\]: ok  what time ?
USGO1 [-\]: starts 9pm eastern
]
;B[eo]C[Meloe [-\]: ty 
]
;W[ao]C[climbtrees [6k\]: 9am I presume
dogbert [3d\]: b up by 11 points or so
anguy [1k\]: 9am or 9pm?
]
;B[af]C[USGO1 [-\]: whoops, sorry, 9am!
First [1k\]: b begins but w wins
USGO1 [-\]: 0900
]
;W[an]C[dogbert [3d\]: b 59 points vs w 48?
]
;B[on]
;W[om]C[emc2 [2d\]: black winning now
dogbert [3d\]: on the board
]
;B[fs]
;W[gs]
;B[es]
;W[mo]
;B[mp]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[ag]
;B[ac]
;W[ab]
;B[ek]
;W[ad]
;B[ae]C[dogbert [3d\]: b at least 1.6 ahead
TitanPupil [3d\]: 1.6 eh
dogbert [3d\]: :)
emc2 [2d\]: b + 3.5
]
;W[ac]C[USGO1 [-\]: lordy
kono: d7 is not point?
TrollBot [2k\]: a prisoner stone broke in pieces so b won by 1.8
test11 [13k\]: D7 for b
]
;B[dm]C[test11 [13k\]: looks good
Capa21 [9k\]: Who is USGO1?
test11 [13k\]: connected either way
kono: w played ko in place of dt
]
;W[dl]C[KoyoToya [-\]: Yours truly Andrew Jackson
]
;B[dn]C[KoyoToya [-\]: That is usgo1
]
;W[li]C[test11 [13k\]: Andrew is #1
Capa21 [9k\]: That's what I thought. 
Capa21 [9k\]: Thx
USGO1 [-\]: it's true!
]
;B[fm]C[mke [1k\]: could be 1/2 point game
]
;W[nr]C[USGO1 [-\]: wow...
kono: n11 is not a point?
]
;B[or]C[First [1k\]: what is b doing?
]
;W[fn]C[kono: both played a ko in place of 1pt
leachy [2k\]: yeah n11 is 1/2 point and the ko is only 1/3 point
]
;B[mi]C[anguy [1k\]: seems bao noticed finally
kono: they missed n11 and d7
]
;W[cm]
;B[fm]
;W[sj]
;B[si]
;W[fn]C[kono: and why c7?
First [1k\]: w can win this
leachy [2k\]: now all that's left is the half-point ko, worth 1/3 point per move but probably worthless if we counted
]
;B[me]
;W[od]C[anguy [1k\]: looks like black wins regardless of this ko
]
;B[fm]C[butansheng [2d\]: w want to win the ko and play the last move.
]
;W[ns]
;B[os]C[HunterKane [11k\]: is white ahead?
]
;W[fn]C[anguy [1k\]: black is ahead
butansheng [2d\]: no
]
;B[lg]
;W[lf]
;B[fm]C[Capa21 [9k\]: B+ now
HunterKane [11k\]: oh, whoops, i meant black, forgot who i counted
]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]
;W[fn]
;B[mk]C[test11 [13k\]: by how much Capa21?
]
;W[nk]
;B[fm]C[kono: B +7 on the board, no prisoners
]
;W[sn]
;B[so]
;W[fn]C[HunterKane [11k\]: komi?
emc2 [2d\]: decided by the ko
mke [1k\]: 7.5 komi
leachy [2k\]: w has more threats
kono: B wins by about prisoners
emc2 [2d\]: no, b won
HunterKane [11k\]: wouldnt white win with komi?
emc2 [2d\]: still b + 3.5
Capa21 [9k\]: More than enough. Doesn't need ko
]
;B[jf]
;W[oe]
;B[fm]C[test11 [13k\]: thanks Jose Raul!
anguy [1k\]: not decided by the ko..
]
;W[ra]
;B[rb]C[anguy [1k\]: ko just decides how much black wins by
]
;W[fn]C[nero [1k\]: no
butansheng [2d\]: b leads 10-11 on the board
]
;B[ne]
;W[fm]
;B[fk]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][gc][hc][ic][se][ah][ai][aj][ak][bk][jk][kk][lk][mk][bl][kl][ll][nl][ol][am][km][lm][hr][ir][kr][hs][is][js][ks]TB[pa][qa][ra][sa][pb][pc][qc][ce][ee][df][ff][gf][eg][fg][gg][hg][eh][fh][gh][ih][nh][oh][ph][qi][ri][sj][rm][sm][sn][ro][sp][aq][mq][pq][qq][rq][sq][ar][nr][pr][qr][rr][sr][as][bs][cs][ds][ns][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[redreoicy [4d\]: Wow Dame ko fighting
dogbert [3d\]: ???
USGO1 [-\]: w says he lost i believe
redreoicy [4d\]: Very rare
Capa21 [9k\]: Maybe I don't know AGA rules well though
honku [1d\]: B+2.5?
honku [1d\]: AGA rules give the same result as Japanese
test11 [13k\]: Chinese rules (specially counting) are the best
Capa21 [9k\]: That's what I thought. b def
dogbert [3d\]: F7 was strange
First [1k\]: b can still win
emc2 [2d\]: 3.5
redreoicy [4d\]: Aga is basically chinese
Capa21 [9k\]: w would have won if hadn't given up points there
leachy [2k\]: B+3.5 according to score tool
USGO9 [-\]: AGA rules gives same result as Chinese... pass stones make Japanese counting same as Chinese
TrollBot [2k\]: i know SE not ST
honku [1d\]: B played last dame, but W must play last pass, and each player gives a stone to the opponent for each pass?
anguy [1k\]: what method of counting is bao yun using?
Vash3G [-\]: They are using AGA counting
anguy [1k\]: messing up the whole board like that?
TrollBot [2k\]: w won by 1.5?
USGO1 [-\]: b+3.5
USGO9 [-\]: thanks usgo1
redreoicy [4d\]: Called it :D
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks everyone!
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